Alameda blinked?

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 05/13/2020 at 11:57 • Filed to: None

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Officials in California said they may allow Tesla to restart full operations at its US car assembly plant on Monday.

They also said the electric car company had been approved to resume some activities ahead of the re-opening.

The announcement comes after chief executive Elon Musk called staff back to work in defiance of shutdown orders.

Alameda County health officials said the approvals were subject to the firm instituting safety measures for staff and improving virus data.

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Tapas > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:03

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*Insert Archer meme.jpg*

Do you want a bad second wave?

Because t hat’s how you get a bad second wave!

Grindintosecond > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:04

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Trump now feels like he has total say. Since he told Cali what it should do, and now they do it.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:07

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East Bay c ops refuse to arrest  dangerous man defying authority.  A tale as old as time.

facw > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:08

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I mean California was already willing to let them reopen on the 18th. So it’s just these “some activities” they may count as blinking. Though it sounds like Tesla has also backed down a bit.

fintail > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:10

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G reat, an even more emboldened lunatic, as if there weren’t enough of those these days. Can’t wait to see what he tweets next and gets away with. 

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:16

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California was fine with it from the get-go, it was the county that there’s friction with. Alame da has implemented stricter precautions than the state as a whole has enacted.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > facw 05/13/2020 at 12:18

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Is that compromise? That sounds way too responsible and functional for the government and people in California. 

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > facw 05/13/2020 at 12:18

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Is that compromise? That sounds way too responsible and functional for the government and people in California. 

ttyymmnn > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 05/13/2020 at 12:25

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Headline edited to reflect. Thanks. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:42

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It’s certainly chaos.  You’d think, regionally, that the various agencies could have the guidelines harmonized.  Just across the bridge is San Mateo County and just down the freeway is San Jose.  All with different guidance and not all of it coordinated with the state.

RallyWrench > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 12:52

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More Alameda County than CA, but now the rest of the country is taking its turns shitting on us as a whole, as is customary. Elon made it about CA with his horseshit ragetwits, but the county decided to extend their order above and beyond that of the state, which set him off. It always amazes me how much the rest of the country seems to think California is this small little place ruled only by some magical hidden cabal of communists in San Francisco. Our lockdown has not at all been as severe as that in other states. We did it first, and largely got ahead of this (or at least made it manageable for a population of 40 million people) by being smart about it. For a place as wildly diverse and populated as California, I think we’ve largely done a good job under crazy and fluid circumstances. In closing, Fuck Elon.

(I don’t mean you by any of this, btw)

EDIT: Arrr your headline edit got me, well done ;)

ttyymmnn > RallyWrench 05/13/2020 at 13:02

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Here in TX, Travis County, which is the home of the more liberal Austin (where I live), wants to extend restrictions. The state, however, which is ruled by Republicans, has sent letters to Austin and other counties that their restrictions are too, well, restrictive, and the state might get involved. It seems that Republicans love to preach about small government except when they want to use big government to push their agenda. Yup, seems like a good time to open up the state.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 05/13/2020 at 13:43

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I would think, nationally , various agencies would be more harmonized, but hey: radical Liberals think as radical Liberals think, right?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 05/13/2020 at 13:46

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Who? Trump or Musk? There is an interesting sphere of opinion and perception about the various billionaires who hold sway over us: Bezos, Musk, Gates, Trump, others, and various bases’ view of the dynamic between those men. For my part, I am inclined to call out Trump for being chicken to take on Musk, but my diet is probably too rich in Fake News.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 05/13/2020 at 13:49

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There’s all of this throwing of outrage grenades everywhere while at the ground level, people are pragmatically figuring out how to sensibly reopen. I can only guess, but I am guessing that when Musk tweeted about moving out of (Alameda County) California, politicians listened, because Musk is crazy enough to do it. But look at Tesla’s customer base: not exactly Trump fans, would you think? And now their Golden Boy is bucking the lockdown in a spectacular way as only Musk could. Will the Grape Nuts-eating Tesla buyers now shun Musk? Strikes me as unlikely. Overlapping ironies.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/13/2020 at 13:50

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Both?

I have no doubt Trump is somewhat intimidated by Musk. Musk is a legit z illionaire, and although he doesn’t always show it , actually intelligent, too. If it came to a shouting match/twitterwar, I’d probably not bet on 45.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/13/2020 at 13:53

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I think we addressed this a few weeks ago... about the time CNN had nonstop criticism of the South Dakota governor over “the biggest COVID hotspot in the country”. Since then? SD has almost gone weeks with no fatalities. The lightly populated red states have a completely different set of concerns, so I’ve never thought it was one-size-fits-all. What works in Manhattan NY isn’t necessarily the best approach in Manhattan KS or Montana.  In SD’s case?  They were trying to keep 30% of the nation’s meat supply intact, which they’ve largely been able to do while minimizing loss of life.  Meanwhile the NY guys were sending active cases back into the care centers.

So, California has the same issues.  The safeguards in San Fran aren’t necessarily applicable to Trinity County or Calaveras County.  Regionally there should be more coherence.  The six counties, plus cities, around the Bay Area should be on the same page.  It’s surprising they haven’t been.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 05/13/2020 at 13:53

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Both? Both what?

It seems obvious to me that Trump concluded he cannot bully Musk, so does not. But I get pushback on this notion from some people and I’m trying to understand better what’s going on.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/13/2020 at 13:55

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But what Musk is doing is exactly what’s wrong with corporate America- a business shouldn’t be allowed to hold a state or county hostage like that. Departure of a huge company like an automaker has a huge economic hit between the tax revenue and job loss. Threatening Alameda with that in order to get his way is tantamount to extortion.

It’s not the government’s job to keep businesses happy. Businesses need to operate within the framework laid out by the government.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 05/13/2020 at 14:09

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You and I addressed this? If so, apologies for having a short memory. A county in California could be like an entire state somewhere else. My daughter lives up in Humboldt County where they’ve had practic ally zero cases, to hea r  her telling of it.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 05/13/2020 at 14:11

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I am not in a position to disagree with that. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/13/2020 at 14:22

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I apologize if you weren’t on the thread. A few of us had a back-and-forth about it, but my point was “the less dense population centers” were going to have fewer issues. Out in farm-and-ranch country people are used to going weeks without seeing the neighbors, “going out to eat” is a rare treat and even Amazon has made the “need to go into town” much less urgent.

So, yeah, easy to believe Humboldt is having fewer issues than LA county, where the cases have started to soar again. Lockdown just got extended into July there I think.

Anyway, I do apologize if I mistakenly thought you were part of that discussion. It was an unintentional oversight on my part.

Stay safe.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/13/2020 at 14:23

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Both are emboldened lunatics.

I'd wager Musk would demolish 45 in a debate.  Musk could also buy him 10 times over. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 05/13/2020 at 14:31

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No worries. Thank you for sharing your views and viewpoint with me. It’s risky because if you openly share, in the current climate now more so than ever, you are likely to receive an ad hominem  attack rather than answers or opinion.

RallyWrench > ttyymmnn 05/13/2020 at 14:42

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Small government and state s’ rights when convenient for the agenda, par for the course. Our county (San Luis Obispo) is squarely purple, and we have followed the governor’s guidelines from day one. One of our assemblyme n, a moderate Republican (they exist!) who I personally know to be a good guy and vote for to help keep some balance in the state legislature , is on board. W e’re also fairly rural/agricultural and only have about 300,000 people, with total virus cases in the low 200s and one death. Manageable.

We could safely and cautiously begin to reopen in the established phases, and have asked permission of the governor’s office to do so. To a certain extent w e have to, because we are now in the phase of businesses closing permanently after two months of no or minimal income since the PPP program was a joke to start out, and independent contractors and the self employed were not eligible for unemployment support at first .   M y wife’s work, a gym that’s been a fixture of the community for decades , is one of them. Restaurants gone too. They’re just done. A lot of this area relies on tourism and traffic on highways 1 and 101 , so o ur area-wide downturn started in early March, weeks before the lockdown. Curbside takeout doesn’t pay the insane rents around here.

The local university and community college are done for the term, which means over 20,000 students who(se parents) support the local economy are gone. Our small shop has barely kept the doors open, having burned most of our reserves to do so as we wait for our second round PPP application to be processed. Fortunately auto repair was deemed essential, though the precipitous drop in business makes it hard to feel that way. People aren’t driving as much, and they don’t have any money.   That’s been my job for the last two months, it’s really taken a lot out of me. When clients do come in, a LOT of them pay with the easily recognizable state unemployment Visa cards, which all have a picture of Yosemite and no chip. On the surface things might not seem awful, but the effects you don’t see are the worst, and little things like those cards showing up a lot tell a greater story .

Anyway... I don’t know what I’m trying to say here. Very stressed out for my own reasons, as we all are. There’s a balance, somewhere. But being idiots about this and making it a left/right fight is the damn dumbest thing we can do, and it feels like our shitbag elected leaders and TV pundits are driving us ever farther that way on purpose .   What little faith I had in America is pretty thoroughly gone by this point. Oppo is cool, at least. G ood luck to you.

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MrSnrub > RallyWrench 05/13/2020 at 21:39

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It always amazes me how much the rest of the country seems to think California is this small little place ruled only by some magical hidden cabal of communists in San Francisco

Ha. Sometimes I wish the right-winger caricature of Democrats was true. If Obama really was a Kenyan Muslim gay communist hellbent on apologizing for America, maybe he would have passed the public option and closed G uantanamo.